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This is a discussion currently going on at /r9k/ (may be NSFW). I am »Propaganda Minister«.

ROW ROW FIGHT THE POWAH Anonymous 10/14/08(Tue)05:20:28 No.1812770

http://www.thestandard.com/news/2008/10/13/no-opt-out-filtered-internet

The Australian government will soon be censoring our intertubes.

The "opt-out" option that many were hoping for has been announced to be merely a system that censors slightly less content than the main filter.

The question now becomes "What can we do about this?". Petitions and protests are useless. This may require extreme measures. Keep in mind that violent acts like suicide bombing would merely strengthen their resolve rather than weaken their forces (see: 9/11, religion, etc).

>> Anonymous 10/14/08(Tue)05:22:03 No.1812783

We could always move to New Zealand. Ahahaha.

>> Anonymous 10/14/08(Tue)05:23:36 No.1812797

lolAusfalia

>> »Propaganda Minister« !!9mt1PMWAu6V 10/14/08(Tue)05:24:08 No.1812801Image by Tilly Dog via Flickr

...Fuck.

Hmm, I am glad I don't look at CP. However, I still don't approve of this.

>> Anonymous 10/14/08(Tue)05:25:14 No.1812809

"All illegal content", eh?

Download music while you can faggots, you're all doomed.

>> Anonymous 10/14/08(Tue)05:25:53 No.1812814

>>1812801
Protip: It's not just CP and weird porn that's going to be blocked.

>> Anonymous 10/14/08(Tue)05:26:00 No.1812815

Revolt!

March onto Canberra!

>> Anonymous 10/14/08(Tue)05:26:50 No.1812822

>"Users can opt-out of the 'additional material' blacklist (referred to in a department press release, which is a list of things unsuitable for children, but there is no opt-out for 'illegal content'", Newton said.

All of my money says 4chan gets marked as "illegal content".

>> Anonymous 10/14/08(Tue)05:26:59 No.1812824

God that makes me angry.

>> »Propaganda Minister« !!9mt1PMWAu6V 10/14/08(Tue)05:28:25 No.1812832

>>1812814
I know...

>>1812822
Have thought of it...

this is not good!

>> Anonymous 10/14/08(Tue)05:29:53 No.1812845

Kevin Rudd said he would spend billions upgrading the countries Internet to the global peak. Typical politician lier wheres our fucking faster net!

>> Anonymous 10/14/08(Tue)05:30:34 No.1812853

You guys should revolt, government should fear its citizens and all that blag. This better not happen in America or I'll, I'll move to Canada, thatswhat!

>> Anonymous 10/14/08(Tue)05:32:37 No.1812871

>>1812845
What he didn't mention is that the plan would take over 6 years to complete!

>> Anonymous 10/14/08(Tue)05:36:18 No.1812895

With Britain and its CCTV, the US and it's terrorist watch lists and crazy airport "security", and Australia now building a national firewall ala China, I think we can say that the Anglophone western nations have become much less free and are sliding toward Singapore style government control.

I guess Orwell was right, just some decades off.

>> Anonymous 10/14/08(Tue)05:36:44 No.1812897

Ahhhh shit, I'm an Ausfag and this pisses me off.
Its not even the fact that it may effect me, it's the principle, who the hell are they to deem what is and isn;t appropriate? We're fucking adults, we should be responsible to view what we want and be held accountable if they catch us in the wrong.
Fuck them, fuck their ideals, fuck their mothers.

>> Anonymous 10/14/08(Tue)05:39:21 No.1812908

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF THIS MAKES ME RAGE SO HARD

>> Anonymous 10/14/08(Tue)05:43:36 No.1812936

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

I am rage. I can see fucking parliament house out my fucking window. Im going to march over there and take a shit on the fucking over watered lawns.

>> Anonymous 10/14/08(Tue)05:46:11 No.1812953

>>1812936
DO IT FAGGOT


nzfag here, no doubt if it passes there it will weasel its way onto our shore with our bum-buddy type agreements.
>> Anonymous 10/14/08(Tue)05:53:03 No.1813001

Do any of you hackers on steroids know if there is a way around something like this? Or are we fucked like China?

>> Anonymous 10/14/08(Tue)05:58:22 No.1813037

>>1812895
>With Britain and its CCTV...
and anti-terrorism laws being misused to spy on citizens.

It's not that anglophone countries are stepping up their game, it's that they're making it more public and trying to get people to think of it as normal to have all these restrictions.

>> Anonymous 10/14/08(Tue)05:59:55 No.1813047

>>1812936
canberrafag, sydfag here. I remember with glee my excursion like 10 years ago during school, where you go to the top of parliament house and roll down that hill. Someone told me that this is no longer possible, have they fenced it or something? If so, I will gladly march on canberra to correct this injustice (the hill roll thing, fuck the internets)

>> Anonymous 10/14/08(Tue)06:00:52 No.1813055

somewhere on the order of 9000 proxies should do it
>> Anonymous 10/14/08(Tue)06:01:31 No.1813060

Britfag here: our government was considering something like this recently. International revolution, amirite?
>> Anonymous 10/14/08(Tue)06:03:54 No.1813075

>>1813037
I think it's both.

>>1813060
Good luck outgunning the military and police or even being noticed when you protest and get arrested. Nowadays the media is compliant and nobody cares. Then again, revolutions tend to come on by suprise...

>> Anonymous 10/14/08(Tue)06:05:39 No.1813088

Fucking Ausfailia, now how am I meant to get the vidya?
Buy, you say?
Fuck you.

>> Anonymous 10/14/08(Tue)06:06:25 No.1813094

>>1813068
>meh, won't be too hard to get around it

Chinks can't get around their filter and they spend their whole lives on the tubes.

>> Anonymous 10/14/08(Tue)06:06:57 No.1813097

>>1813088
they can't block torrents/p2p and shit, calm down

>> Anonymous 10/14/08(Tue)06:07:26 No.1813100

To have a revolution you need a charismatic leader to shake people out of apathy. You know, like Hitler. All we have at the moment are 15 yar old anarchists.

>> Anonymous 10/14/08(Tue)06:07:54 No.1813103

>>1813097
But they can block the sites where I can download the torrents. That makes it a bit of a pain.

>> Anonymous 10/14/08(Tue)06:09:49 No.1813112

>>1813097
And throttle torrent speeds.

>> Anonymous 10/14/08(Tue)06:12:39 No.1813129

>>1813112
>>1813103
And monitor what you download.

>> Anonymous 10/14/08(Tue)06:14:09 No.1813136

>>1813060
Us Anglophone countries should stick together. Yeah, we shit talk about each other all the time but stopping this Big Brother bullshit is something I think we can all get behind.

>> Anonymous 10/14/08(Tue)06:14:57 No.1813144

>>1813094
yes, they use tor.
>>1813103
Type this in google replacing "Your Band" with your band
-inurl:(htm|html|php) intitle:"index of" +"last modified" +"parent directory" +description +size +(mp3) "Your Band"
Digg is good for something :D

>> Anonymous 10/14/08(Tue)06:16:07 No.1813154

An ausfag call to arms!!! we need to do something about this. THis will be our generations Vietnam!!! this will be the spark that ignites our generation! no longer will gen y be labeled as the lazy spoilt generation that sits round mooching off our parents. We need to stand up for our rights!
Our right to download free music!
Our right to access material that may be considered illegal by the government (CP is bad, but independent websites relating to drugs, or potentially politically divisive websites are not. It is our right to access them!!)
The government will know what you're doing. If you try to access any illegal site (accidentally or not) you will be flagged!

And don't think 4chan will be considered a legal website.

Tell your friends, even those outside this close knit community. Make sure you're all aware of this threat to our freedom. And remember, as that wise Australian once said, they can take our lives, but theyll never take OUR FREEDOM!!!

>> Anonymous 10/14/08(Tue)06:16:10 No.1813156

>>1813112
Throttle Ausfailia anymore and the internet won't even work.

>> Anonymous 10/14/08(Tue)06:18:17 No.1813163

>>1813136
Fuck yes, too bad 'us Anglophone' countries are all fucking stupid.

>> Anonymous 10/14/08(Tue)06:19:34 No.1813178

>>1813047

This is sad. THe whole idea of that was that we as the public were able to stand on top of the government, so they remembered that we were the ones on top. The australian attitude is one of self deprecation and a questioning of authority. I wish there was a way to stand up and say fuck this shit lets change it. How do we do that?


>> Anonymous 10/14/08(Tue)06:22:12 No.1813194

>>1813047
Ahh, I remember my first roll down that hill. It was the only thing that made school excursions to that god forsaken place worthwhile. Oh, and the juice boxes they gave out once the tour was done. As for current rolling laws, they have big concrete block things down the bottom of the hill. Similar to the ones you find separating lanes on a road. Though I don't think they'd do much to prevent gleeful hill rolling, they're to far down to really get in the way and they are small enough for even a child to climb over. So it is still possible, whether or not it is still 'allowed' i'm not sure.

Also: http://nocleanfeed.com/

>> Anonymous 10/14/08(Tue)06:31:24 No.1813249

>>1813194
thank you my act friend, this made my day. I was shattered to think the hill roll was a thing of the past

>> Anonymous 10/14/08(Tue)06:32:17 No.1813259

Ok, here's the deal, all ausfags (or anyone who thinks this is a bad idea) please email Senator Conroy at: minister@dbcde.gov.au and voice your opinion on this matter. He's the dude that is trying so hard to get this pushed through.

I know, Not your persona;l army bullshit, but this isnt personal. This is a issue of civil liberties, so if you don't disagree, dont get involved. If you do disagree, then please let your voice be heard. If you have the time, personal letters are always more effective. Send your letters to this address. And please, some maturity.

Senator Stephen Conroy
Minister for Communications, Broadband and the Digital Economy
Level 4, 4 Treasury Place
Melbourne Vic 3002

>> Anonymous 10/14/08(Tue)06:36:11 No.1813280

I'm sorry, I couldn't hear the Aussie whining over the sound of how awesome New Zealand's sounding right now.

>> Anonymous 10/14/08(Tue)06:40:26 No.1813302

It is not going to get through and even if it did 4chan wouldn't be blocked and even if it was you can get past the block in about 10 seconds

>> Anonymous 10/14/08(Tue)06:40:27 No.1813303

>>1813280
Just wait until the NZ politicians decide how great Australia's idea was, and decide to implement it, too.
>> Anonymous 10/14/08(Tue)06:43:20 No.1813316

>>1813303

Not like our internet speeds could possibly be slower anyway.

>> Anonymous 10/14/08(Tue)06:43:22 No.1813317

>>1813259
this person (?) is right, the only way you can do anything (and it won't be much) is by going through the channels that are supposed to remove the need for activism.

"I am unhappy with the proposed changes XYZ to the internet law."

-'Thank you for your comment. Your opinions are important to us. If you leave a name, phone number, email and home address, a representitive will try to get back to you.'
>> Anonymous 10/14/08(Tue)06:49:25 No.1813347

>>1813259
>>1813317
Dox are as always appreciated. We need to think outside the box a little on this one though.

There are a number of websites dedicated to ROW ROW FIGHT DA POWAH but they mostly centre on letter writing and rallying people. Don't get me wrong, this is all well and good, but while they're busy "going through the channels", we're getting completley screwed. Action is needed.

I just wish I knew what to do.

>> rigpig 10/14/08(Tue)06:49:36 No.1813348

Fuck 'em, is all. We'll build a satellite powered proxy.
>> Anonymous 10/14/08(Tue)06:51:13 No.1813356

>>1813317

Yeah i aint happy with them either, but its one thing. Will also raise awareness of the issue on campus and amongs various political groups. Will leave marching on parliament with guy fawkes mask as a last resort though...

>> Anonymous 10/14/08(Tue)06:52:18 No.1813358

is this story fake

it seems only to be on unheard of computer news sites

>> Anonymous 10/14/08(Tue)06:52:41 No.1813361

>>1813356
>Will leave marching on parliament with guy fawkes mask as a last resort though...

You know, faggotry aside, I don't mind this idea. It could be quite interesting.

>> Anonymous 10/14/08(Tue)06:54:27 No.1813369

>>1813361
Except for the fact that Guy Fawkes masks are now associated with Scientology protests, to the media. So, not such a great idea.

>> Anonymous 10/14/08(Tue)06:54:55 No.1813372

>>1813361

I t would indeed be awesome to flex the political muscle of activism. Especially like that.. how many ausfags here are in a position to not only act on this, but to get together fairly large social groups that will do the same?
>> Anonymous 10/14/08(Tue)06:56:53 No.1813383

>>1813369


Would it be a disadvantage to the cause if we were associated with the 'international terrorist group' anonymous?

And does anyone have any suggestions for an alternative identifier/ mascot/ symbol whatever?

>> Anonymous 10/14/08(Tue)06:58:34 No.1813390

wow australia sucks ass

>> Anonymous 10/14/08(Tue)07:00:11 No.1813400

>>1813372
I have a social group of around 20, who upon hearing about the cause, would be more than willing to contribute.
Of course we're all perthfags, so we can't really get to parliament house?

>> Anonymous 10/14/08(Tue)07:01:49 No.1813405

>>1813369
It doesn't have to be Guy Fawkes masks, but theatricals are awesome for getting attention.

>>1813372
I for one would be willing to set up a goddamn commune in Canberra for this cause. If only we could get all the people who went to the Co$ raids across the nations to get in on this shit we'd have several hundred very angry people.

>> Anonymous 10/14/08(Tue)07:02:48 No.1813406

>>1813400
Wow, I didn't know Perth was so remote that planes and roads don't go from there.

>> Anonymous 10/14/08(Tue)07:04:36 No.1813417

>>1813372
the average ausfag will only march if facebook is deemed a blacklisted site.

>> Anonymous 10/14/08(Tue)07:07:17 No.1813428

>>1813417
The sad thing is that what you said is true.

>> Anonymous 10/14/08(Tue)07:10:16 No.1813439

>>1813428
Then we convince them it will be.

>> Anonymous 10/14/08(Tue)07:12:20 No.1813454

Post your plans of action to combat this injustice, /r9k/. Even the ones that seem so out there and crazy that they could kill us all.

>> Anonymous 10/14/08(Tue)07:13:36 No.1813458

>>1813453
>>1813439
But the government LOVES Fagbook- people willingly post all their information on that site so it saves them the trouble of spying on us :/

>> Anonymous 10/14/08(Tue)07:15:11 No.1813464

>>1813453
They aren't the most intelligent crowd, so if we tell them that the gubb'mint is going to be blocking websites, and if we tell them ON facebook, and make groups for free speech and whatnot, they facebook mentality will get them involved.

'Join this group if you support our rights to view whatever we want and you think the net should remain a free forum' etc. Have links to petitions/email rights/copypasta that website, etc.

>> Anonymous 10/14/08(Tue)07:15:54 No.1813465

>>1813454
1.Rent Hanglider
2.Print flyers
3.???
4.Profit.

>> Anonymous 10/14/08(Tue)07:17:03 No.1813467

>>1813406
It's not, but with the economy at the moment, we'd rather not fork over all that cash to fly to Canberra.

>> Anonymous 10/14/08(Tue)07:20:33 No.1813482

>>1813464
Type "Internet Censorship" into Fagbook and a few pages of stuff will come up pertaining to our situation. I think most people are of the idea that joining an online group ranting about free speech counts as doing their bit.

>> Anonymous 10/14/08(Tue)07:20:49 No.1813483

>>1813464
as easy as it would be to propagate a facebook group like that successfully, the most you'd get would be a highly patronising spot on today tonight about web activism, with anna coren saying some shit like 'oh those crazy kids with their computers' at the end of the article. Fact is most people don't care, ask your average baby boomer if they would care if the government filtered offensive content, they'd say they support it.

The best way would be to prove that the internet will be slower/ineffective with the filter. Businesses that rely on the internet will go ape shit. Convince law firms that their email will deliver slower to their precious blackberries, and you have a legal army on your side. Convince the average person that their access to ninemsn will slow down, and you gain a whining pensioner army.

Apart from the practical aspect (slower service), most people simply won't care.

>> Anonymous 10/14/08(Tue)07:21:22 No.1813488

>>1813467
People like you are why this movement will fail.

"I feel passionate about this cause and would like to help, but... effort..."

>> Anonymous 10/14/08(Tue)07:23:30 No.1813503

>>1813483
It would be super easy for K. Diddy to just say "Oh that won't happen, we have things in place to make sure Australians won't have slower access because of the filters, blah blah blah working families etc."
>> Anonymous 10/14/08(Tue)07:24:00 No.1813505

>>1813372
Canberrafag again. I could definitely round up 20 close friends. Handing out some fliers at local colleges could dramatically increase the number.

Its not like there's anything better to do round here.

>> Anonymous 10/14/08(Tue)07:24:16 No.1813508

>>1813483
Anna Coren left Today Tonight. But we still have Tracy Grimshaw to patronise us.
>> Anonymous 10/14/08(Tue)07:26:55 No.1813523

>>1813483
Yeah, I posted the above and I agree, it was more a reply to 'how do I get the facebookan masses involved?'.

Once you start letting the right people know that the net will slow down, or if you can get ISPs united enough to just say 'no we're not doing it, have fun finding another service provider', there might be a shot. All you can really do is get enough important people to make a big enough fuss about it, not a bunch of underage b&'s bitching on 4chan.

>> Anonymous 10/14/08(Tue)07:27:47 No.1813531

>>1813503
Then "brb, going overseas to deliver a speech to the UN that noone will hear."

>> Anonymous 10/14/08(Tue)07:28:01 No.1813533

>>1813488
i dont see flying to canberra as necessary, folks could harass their local mp's also if they can't make it to canberra. or ruin a few telstra hubs and paper drop the surrounding area saying 'if you like the lack of internet access now, you'll love when this bill passes...' with copypasta on how to whinge it up

let multiply your efforts for you

>> Anonymous 10/14/08(Tue)07:28:04 No.1813534

>>1813483

I agree that the majority of 'protest' groups and what not are bullshit just makingImage via Wikipedia people feel happy and letting them feel that theyve done their part for whatever cause. At the same time though facebook needs to be recognised as a valuable tool for organizing people. Seriously, couldnt do that sorta shit here unless it was against scientology

As a result. Starting a facebook group for people interested in actual action. If we get enough people to protest, we protest.
Will post details when done. Not some pussy ass make you feel good shit, its the real deal ladies.

>> Anonymous 10/14/08(Tue)07:28:10 No.1813535

I've seriously thought about walking into Senator Stephen Conroy's office and detonating myself to stop this from happening, but I'm pretty sure it would have negative repurcussions.

We need something big and dramatic like in the old days where countries were burnt to the ground.
>> Anonymous 10/14/08(Tue)07:28:54 No.1813543
I'm going sum up the whole situation here and now I'm certain most of you are going to agree with me, read on.

Its not implemented yet so cool down as nobody will care until the last moment or just as it comes into affect. When people do protest it'll just be a few tiny public demonstrations and an article in the paper and thats it.

Does anyone really expect this kinda shit not to pass when Australia is ruled by butt-hurt conservative old faggots? These same faggots who rule over a largely moronic and preoccupied nation.

As much as it shits me I expect it'll pass and be quickly forgotten about. Even if MASSIVE demonstrations occur it'll change nothing as most Australians are apathetic baby boomers and immigrants who are just happy to have jobs.

For those who care it'll be about 10% of the population AT MOST of this
8% of people who protest will be the same kids who protested scientology and wont change ANYTHING because they're too caught up in unrealistic V for vendetta protesting styles and are hugely disorganised.
The remaining 2% will be libertarians and freedom of speech activists who talk a lot of shit but do nothing - as usual.

Recall for a moment the public outcry, petitions, protests over the GST, the Iraq war, Work Choices, VSU, APEC, World Youth Day... fuck the list just grows and grows. These protests failed because again most Australians dont give a shit. Only populist and token government gestures are granted i.e. 'Sorry day' which btw has actually changed nothing not that I like abos but the N.T intervention is still going on. Even if huge public demonstrations take place provided it doesn't affect people's jobs or chance to watch Australian Idol nobody will care.

You know i'm right.
>> Anonymous 10/14/08(Tue)07:36:31 No.1813577

>>1813554

Yeah a fear campaign might be the way to go about it, seems to be the only thing to work. Fear about people hacking into the government feed and collecting pensioners credit card info, fear about businesses failing due to shitty internet speeds.

>> Anonymous 10/14/08(Tue)07:38:08 No.1813585

Fellow ausfags the protest central hasnow been established. If you have a facebook please go to

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=29156649075&ref=mf

alternatively search for 'aussies for net neutrality"

Like i said earlier, this is no pussy ass make you feel good group. When we have the people we will do something

Do it.
>> Anonymous 10/14/08(Tue)07:39:23 No.1813594

>>1813543
i can give you an example of an event where people DID care enough to do something, and it DID have at least a bit of the intended effect

cronulla riots (pretty piss weak riots, but you get the idea). enough youth assembled, police were overwhelmed, national notoriety was gained. years later, the middle eastern presence at the beach is VERY diminished, and race orientated incidents at the beach have gone down A LOT. Before the riots, it was commonplace for lebos to go to the beach to pick fights with skips. Now, it rarely happens. The local youth, through crude zerg tactics, gained what they wanted: a voice and a change they could see.

Whether or not you liked the riots (pfft i hate calling it that, noone died, there were no fires, worst riot ever), it is an example of aussie protests at work. It's proof that if the youth get moving, they can achieve. inb4 moralfags screaming racists, if you do you're missing my point.

ps all this comes from someone who lives there and witnessed it all (the prelude, event and aftermath), the news coverage really was not representative.
>> Anonymous 10/14/08(Tue)07:45:20 No.1813634

>>1813620
i agree, but my point is that given the right amount of fear/hate, you can get shit done in australia. it's a good thing to remember.

>> Anonymous 10/14/08(Tue)07:45:52 No.1813639

>>1813594
Cronulla had a centralised target though. I think the political equivelant would be to storm Parliament House and overwhelm the army.

brb, V for Vendetta.
>> Anonymous 10/14/08(Tue)07:46:52 No.1813648

>>1813602

Sorry dude, net neutrality also involves keeping the internet free of any political influence, in this case, censorship by the Labor government

>> Anonymous 10/14/08(Tue)07:47:03 No.1813651

>>1813620
also, it was an example of where usually apathetic people march, remember that activists are a minority, and minorities can't do shit by themselves when it comes to votes.
>> Anonymous 10/14/08(Tue)07:51:54 No.1813680

Use proxies, I guess? It's fucked up that your government would do that; what are they, like China's best democratic frien....oh.
>> Anonymous 10/14/08(Tue)08:40:47 No.1813955

Well this is fucked.
>> Anonymous 10/14/08(Tue)08:25:19 No.1813882

And i had hope for the new government. I guess the lesson here is to never trust a polli.

>> Anonymous 10/14/08(Tue)08:28:42 No.1813899

>>1813882
I never thought I'd miss Johnny. His comedic ineptitude was somehow reassuring. Rudd is a smug little faggot.
>> Anonymous 10/14/08(Tue)08:39:17 No.1813945

Fucking hell does this make me rage like crazy.


Kevin Rudd is a fucking cunt. He hasn't done anything noteworthy during his current term as PM. All he does is do nothing and retarded baby boomers think he's the best.

God fucking damn do I ever hate that generation now.
>> Anonymous 10/14/08(Tue)08:43:32 No.1813973
Guys, what you need to realise is that this wasn't even a POLICY to begin with, but POLITICS.

Labor needed that Family First senator's vote to pass some other legislation a while back, and what he was promised in return for his co-operation was 'concrete action' on the usual christian fundamenality chestnuts, in this case the proliferation of pornography.

What I'm unable to explain is the advent of no opt-out being available. It might be more Senate shenanigans, I don't know.
>> Anonymous 10/14/08(Tue)08:50:39 No.1813997

>>folks could harass their local mp's also if they can't make it to canberra.

Newsflash to the Australian electorate: your local members, provided they aren't independents or Democrats, vote almost exclusively along party lines. They aren't Atticus Finches waiting for your letter of indignation in order to launch the court action - they are cogs in quasi-Stalinist party machines whose career advancement depends on doing what they're told by factional powerbrokers.

Libs and Labs do not vote/act on their conception of right and wrong; Libs vote Liberal, Labs Labor.

>> Anonymous 10/14/08(Tue)08:51:04 No.1814000

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

OK

I believe we can beat this.

The government is extremely desperate right now. The economy is about to shit itself. What's happening in the USA right now is only the prelude. The Australian housing market is about 50% over-priced. In 6-12 months it is going to crash hardcore. What's stopped it from crashing so far is strong employment. With the global recession, employment will drop, immigration will drop, and then housing demand will drop. The fall in prices will be massive. When this happens, the banks will be completely fucked.

The thing is, Rudd is already making the problem worse. Today he announced a $10 billion (1% of Australia GDP) stimulus package. The package includes doubling the first homebuyers' grant. The consequence of this grant increase will be that house prices are further propped up. The pop of the housing bubble is now going to be worse.

Rudd and co don't have a fucking clue how to manage the financial crisis. It's going to be big. Everything that governments are doing right now is just fueling the fire. Rudd blew his wad early by spending the $10 billion now. Tax receipts are going to be dropping through the floor in coming years. He won't have another surplus during his time in office.

We've got to organise and we've got to attack the government on every issue that they are weak. People angry about net censorship might not be enough to scare them, but if they are hurting on the economy it is going to make them look REALLY bad.

Well folks, the thread and article explain themselves. I think it's painfully obvious what I think. I am completely against this. We are not Amerikkka. We don't need this shit.
You know I'm very anti-censorship and believe everyone should have a right to their own opinion (which still makes me a flaming hypocrite, but nonetheless)...

As Aegis would say:

This is an outrage.

UPDATE from Wikipedia:

Proposed compulsory filtering scheme

On 31 December 2007, Minister for Broadband, Communications and the Digital Economy Stephen Conroy announced the Federal Government's intention to censor "inappropriate material" from the Internet.^[5] Under the proposed system any Australian who subscribes to an ISP would recieve a "clean" version of the Internet. The Federal Government's stated aim is to protect children from accessing violent and pornographic websites. However, such a system was proposed in 2006 and was rejected on the basis that it would slow down the Internet and would not adequately protect children.^[6]

On 28 July 2008, an ACMA report entitled “Closed Environment Testing of ISP-Level Internet Content Filtering”^[7] showed that of the six unnamed ISP-based filters evaluated:

• One filter caused a 22% drop in speed even when it was *not* performing filtering;
• Only one of the six filters had an acceptable level of performance (a drop of 2% in a laboratory trial), the others causing drops in speed of between 21% and 86%;
• The most accurate filters were often the slowest;
• All filters tested had problems with under-blocking, allowing access to between 2% and 13% of material that they should have blocked; and
• All filters tested had serious problems with over-blocking, wrongly blocking access to between 1.3% and 7.8% of the websites tested.

Despite this report highlighting the inaccuracy of these filters and the loss of performance caused by their use, Senator Conroy announced the government will press ahead with a real-world pilot program in furtherance of Labor’s pre-election commitment to force all Australian ISP’s to filter their customers’ Internet access.^[8][9]As of October 2008, the plan includes two blacklists, one of which will filter "illegal" content and the other will filter additional content unsuitable for children. Users will be unable to completely opt out of the scheme, only being able to opt out of the additional filter for children. The government has not released details of what material will make up either list.^[10]